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West Texas XET flying
#11
It's like anything else you choose to do illegally. You stay on your own property, don't annoy anyone, and you'll probably not have an issue with the authorities. You screw up, upset your neighbors, damage something, now you're subject to scrutiny.

I had a friend who owned a 5000 acre ranch in west Texas. He flew his C-172 from his private strip around the ranch, no annual, no medical, no current registration. His choice, and he gets away with it. I wouldn't fly with him, tho.

For the record, I can pass a ramp check. I've met a few Mosquito drivers who could not.
XE285 #1329 N869DJ
Start: June 2018
Done:  Sep 12, 2018  Sleepy 
AWC Issued: Sep 26, 2018  Big Grin  
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#12
I bet there's plenty of R22's that have been picked up by farmers/ranchers around the world for next to nothing when their 12 year is due, then just keep flying.
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#13
Well correct me if I’m wrong here, but I was under the impression that in the Private world, not the commercial world, but in the private world the TBOs are not law, provided you still pass your annual condition inspection, if you want to keep flying past 12 yr/2200hr you’re legally able to do so...it’s  just not a great idea...at least in the private world...now once you enter commercial all bets are off...or am I misinformed again?
"Into the fires of forever we will fly through the heavens
With the power of the universe we stand strong together
Through the force in our power, it will soon reach the hour
For victory we ride, Fury of the Storm!" 
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#14
Section 3.300 Airworthiness Limitations of the R22 maintenance manual is FAA secondary legislation:
“The Airworthiness Limitations Section is FAA approved and specifies inspections and other maintenance required under 14 CFR §§ 43.16 and 91.403, unless an alternative program has been FAA approved.”

So unless some R22 owner is willing to argue the constitutional point that his property or other rights are thereby infringed when minding his own business on his own land, the service life limits in that section are mandatory.

I’m not saying that it is wise to ignore those limits, and I do agree that we don’t own airspace above our land. But even that’s not black and white - what about flying in a hangar? B D Maule used to do it until he got a bit too close to the door soffit one day... Smile
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#15
In reading this older post, I didn't see anyone correct this statement and I see others jumped in and asked questions about flying unregistered aircraft on their own property. I don't want others to be mislead. This post is incorrect.

As now being a customer turned dealer for CFX, I have been working closely with the local FSDO and the FAA over the last several months or so in the registration processes and final inspection/certifications. If you have the factory, or dealer, build your helicopter or airplane, it is in no way correct to say it is illegal to fly it, and is to be registered. in fact, the registration process is almost the same and is as legal as you can get which will allow you to relax and fly your aircraft to fly-in's, friends, airports, etc. The only difference is you are not eligible for the maintenance certificate. Therefore you will have to find an A&P that will work/sign off on your experimental helicopter for annuals and such or take it back to the factory or dealer that build it, if you coordinated with them in the registration process and they put in for the maintenance certificate.

Other than an XEL (with floats) a word of caution to those who encourage to fly unregistered aircraft (even on your own property), should you have your neighbors call on you or worse, you have an accident, I would NOT want to be in your shoes (legally or financially) if you are found to be purposely skating the FAA and the registration process! 

The registration process is not as difficult as some would have you believe if you understand it. Therefor, there is no real reason not to have your aircraft registered. And if you ever go to sell your aircraft used without it ever being registered, well, good luck. 

I hope this helps someone new to the experimental community.
Dave Storey
XET/N72SX
storeyaviation.com
http://storeyaviation.com/
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#16
This is great news for me! With my workload this year I’m so scared I’m not going to get the time to do my build, so having the option to have the factory do the build for me is amazing!

But this leaves me very confused...so I guess that means that when the factory builds your aircraft, it’s not registered as Experimental Amateur Built? Because FAR 21.191[g] is very specific about what is required...

"Into the fires of forever we will fly through the heavens
With the power of the universe we stand strong together
Through the force in our power, it will soon reach the hour
For victory we ride, Fury of the Storm!" 
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#17
Hey Casey, No reason to be very confused. You just need to do a little more homework.  Listen, I'm not about to give technical legal advice on an internet forum with thousands of members. But, Yes, 14 CFR 21.191 is pretty specific but most individuals don't really fully understand it and most will make assumptions of their interpretation about it.  This can be dangerous

If you want to know how the FAA would interpret 14 CFR 21.191, you should start by cross referencing it with 14 CFR 1.1 General Definitions to help get a better understanding of what is actually being stated. If you do that, you should get your answer about Experimental registration.

If not, when your ready to purchase, either the factory or dealer should be able to walk you thru it. Trust me, you are not the first to ask this question. I have seen a rise in interest of building vs having built and the registration process's. Because of this, during this next week I'm going to post some information about this in my FAQs section and briefly discuss some of the pro's and con's of doing so.

I hope this helps!
Dave Storey
XET/N72SX
storeyaviation.com
http://storeyaviation.com/
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#18
Dave, I look forward to discussing this with you in person.
XE285 #1329 N869DJ
Start: June 2018
Done:  Sep 12, 2018  Sleepy 
AWC Issued: Sep 26, 2018  Big Grin  
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